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	<description>A collection of seemingly meaningless musings.</description>
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		<title>By: Why Is It So Hard to Find Players? - Treasure Tables</title>
		<link>http://www.abuliasavant.com/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-1294</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Is It So Hard to Find Players? - Treasure Tables</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My group is having a devil of a time finding new players, and I&#8217;m curious if it&#8217;s just us, or if lots of groups have the same problem. I&#8217;d like to frame that discussion around a quick tongue-in-cheek anecdote. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My group is having a devil of a time finding new players, and I&#8217;m curious if it&#8217;s just us, or if lots of groups have the same problem. I&#8217;d like to frame that discussion around a quick tongue-in-cheek anecdote. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.abuliasavant.com/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand. And I apologize again for hurting everyone.

Many things have changed since then.

If you want to discuss anything further, you (both) have my phone number and email address. If you don&#039;t feel discussion is necessary or desirable, I understand that, too.

At any rate, I won&#039;t take up any more space on the boards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand. And I apologize again for hurting everyone.</p>
<p>Many things have changed since then.</p>
<p>If you want to discuss anything further, you (both) have my phone number and email address. If you don&#8217;t feel discussion is necessary or desirable, I understand that, too.</p>
<p>At any rate, I won&#8217;t take up any more space on the boards.</p>
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		<title>By: Abulia</title>
		<link>http://www.abuliasavant.com/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>Abulia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;It wasn’t the kind of behavior that I expect from a friend.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

And that&#039;s why it hurt so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;It wasn’t the kind of behavior that I expect from a friend.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why it hurt so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Ralya</title>
		<link>http://www.abuliasavant.com/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-1241</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Ralya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Removed at author&#039;s request.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Removed at author&#8217;s request.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Abulia</title>
		<link>http://www.abuliasavant.com/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-1240</link>
		<dc:creator>Abulia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;I&gt;&quot;And my email, which I have been checking regularly hoping for an invitation to revive Dr. Grace Raynes, has been similarly silent.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s none forthcoming, as your actions made in clear (to me) that you had no intention of gaming/socializing with us. Remember when we asked you for &lt;i&gt;Hunter&lt;/i&gt;? Jaben&#039;s birthday party? Walking out on work? You also laid down an ultimatum on the condition of your playing with us that we, as a group, were not going to capitulate to (SO package deal).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I&#039;m not entirely sure where the disconnect is at; we&#039;ve invited you multiple times and been rebuffed. The message we&#039;ve gleaned from that was &quot;not interested.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;And my email, which I have been checking regularly hoping for an invitation to revive Dr. Grace Raynes, has been similarly silent.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s none forthcoming, as your actions made in clear (to me) that you had no intention of gaming/socializing with us. Remember when we asked you for <i>Hunter</i>? Jaben&#8217;s birthday party? Walking out on work? You also laid down an ultimatum on the condition of your playing with us that we, as a group, were not going to capitulate to (SO package deal).</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not entirely sure where the disconnect is at; we&#8217;ve invited you multiple times and been rebuffed. The message we&#8217;ve gleaned from that was &#8220;not interested.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.abuliasavant.com/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-1239</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then, without any explanation whatsoever, Amy drops from the group leaving us all hanging, including the DM.&quot;

I thought I had given explanations at the time. If my reasons were insufficient, or misunderstood, or just unacceptable...I apologize.

&quot;It’s probably one of the most inconsiderate things I’ve seen happen in a gaming group over the years. She’s pretty much severed all ties with us as well.&quot;

I have been guilty of silence...but my phone hasn&#039;t been ringing off the hook either. And my email, which I have been checking regularly hoping for an invitation to revive Dr. Grace Raynes, has been similarly silent.

I am sincerely sorry for the hard feelings caused by an apparent lack of communication on my part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then, without any explanation whatsoever, Amy drops from the group leaving us all hanging, including the DM.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought I had given explanations at the time. If my reasons were insufficient, or misunderstood, or just unacceptable&#8230;I apologize.</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s probably one of the most inconsiderate things I’ve seen happen in a gaming group over the years. She’s pretty much severed all ties with us as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have been guilty of silence&#8230;but my phone hasn&#8217;t been ringing off the hook either. And my email, which I have been checking regularly hoping for an invitation to revive Dr. Grace Raynes, has been similarly silent.</p>
<p>I am sincerely sorry for the hard feelings caused by an apparent lack of communication on my part.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.abuliasavant.com/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-1202</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 06:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yea, we’ll be using that as a weapon to guilt you into playing another game, like SG-4.&lt;/i&gt;

Somehow, I&#039;m not surprised.  And if any game could sorely tempt me, it would be SG-4.

Unfortunately, it looks like the alternate Saturday thing still isn&#039;t viable for me at this time (We have all three &quot;triplets&quot; that night and Aja would probably skin me if I tried to leave her alone with them. And I&#039;d likely deserve it, too...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yea, we’ll be using that as a weapon to guilt you into playing another game, like SG-4.</i></p>
<p>Somehow, I&#8217;m not surprised.  And if any game could sorely tempt me, it would be SG-4.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, it looks like the alternate Saturday thing still isn&#8217;t viable for me at this time (We have all three &#8220;triplets&#8221; that night and Aja would probably skin me if I tried to leave her alone with them. And I&#8217;d likely deserve it, too&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Xopher</title>
		<link>http://www.abuliasavant.com/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-1198</link>
		<dc:creator>Xopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t help when you are trying to form a group, but you may have dodged a bullet with the Flake. At my local internet-forum-based RPG group I started a D&amp;D game for people who didn&#039;t have a game to play. Jon was eager and had a friend who wanted to play too. After he didn&#039;t show up for the first three games I took his name off my list of players. He took offence and stormed off the forum.

Six months later I saw someone seeking local players on another forum. I went along to the meeting he arranged to let people know about the existing group which already had many games and players.

This is from my blog entry of that day:
&quot;Jon was enthusiastic about getting back into D&amp;D. The last time he played the game stopped because when the good characters were killed by the evil characters their players generated some more evil characters and the party ended up just fighting each other. And then there was another game which ended when a character stole his magic pendant and the GM said his character didn&#039;t know which one did it, so his character coshed them all in their sleep and tortured them until they confessed. But he&#039;s really looking forward to getting back into it again. He doesn&#039;t know how people can play good characters because sometimes you just want to lash out and kill something.&quot;

I don&#039;t think he recognized me. It&#039;s a pity when you lose players like Chris and Doug. It&#039;s a blessing when you miss out on players like Jon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t help when you are trying to form a group, but you may have dodged a bullet with the Flake. At my local internet-forum-based RPG group I started a D&amp;D game for people who didn&#8217;t have a game to play. Jon was eager and had a friend who wanted to play too. After he didn&#8217;t show up for the first three games I took his name off my list of players. He took offence and stormed off the forum.</p>
<p>Six months later I saw someone seeking local players on another forum. I went along to the meeting he arranged to let people know about the existing group which already had many games and players.</p>
<p>This is from my blog entry of that day:<br />
&#8220;Jon was enthusiastic about getting back into D&amp;D. The last time he played the game stopped because when the good characters were killed by the evil characters their players generated some more evil characters and the party ended up just fighting each other. And then there was another game which ended when a character stole his magic pendant and the GM said his character didn&#8217;t know which one did it, so his character coshed them all in their sleep and tortured them until they confessed. But he&#8217;s really looking forward to getting back into it again. He doesn&#8217;t know how people can play good characters because sometimes you just want to lash out and kill something.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he recognized me. It&#8217;s a pity when you lose players like Chris and Doug. It&#8217;s a blessing when you miss out on players like Jon.</p>
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		<title>By: drow</title>
		<link>http://www.abuliasavant.com/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator>drow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eek, scary.  i&#039;ve had to deal with some flakes (cthulhu, who never did show up over the span of a month or two until we finally stopped bothering to remind him), but the dice must roll...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eek, scary.  i&#8217;ve had to deal with some flakes (cthulhu, who never did show up over the span of a month or two until we finally stopped bothering to remind him), but the dice must roll&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.abuliasavant.com/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-1194</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My all-winner was the player who largely dropped off the face of the earth after getting married.  We managed to get him to come game with us again, but the Thursday night right before the Saturday session we get an email telling us that his wife is feeling fragile that day and he wouldn&#039;t be able to make the game that weekend.

Real WTF moment.  I guess she was made of glass.  If she&#039;s feeling fragile on Thursday, how exactly does that translate to you losing your whole weekend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My all-winner was the player who largely dropped off the face of the earth after getting married.  We managed to get him to come game with us again, but the Thursday night right before the Saturday session we get an email telling us that his wife is feeling fragile that day and he wouldn&#8217;t be able to make the game that weekend.</p>
<p>Real WTF moment.  I guess she was made of glass.  If she&#8217;s feeling fragile on Thursday, how exactly does that translate to you losing your whole weekend?</p>
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